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Hi Goku!

We could certainly have some more timely reminders of our live shows in gen-hall and places like that. Thanks for the suggestion.

As far as advertising goes, maybe to clarify further we will absolutely be seeking sponsorships to become self sustaining, this is a primary goal. I was more saying we are going to operate with integrity and not take every deal that gets presented to us by potentially harmful actors in the space.

I agree that digital collectibles may be common but as far as creators utilizing them to gain insights into their audience I think is a fairly fringe and new use case, I think we are quite forward thinking in that regard.

Merch is not for everyone but some may want to showcase their fandom. Making merch will not detract from the media products we are creating.

Thanks again Goku, please let us know if you have additional critiques or suggestions.

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I have given this proposal some thought and ultimately, I think the scope is too large. This is similar feedback I gave the first 2 versions shared with me. While I think the end game for TGID should be something to this I believe the community and brand are too small and young to warrant this. I do believe the newsletter and spaces provide value, I have hopped in the spaces a few times and there is a decent showing of doods (20-40) and the content Is good. The newsletter is a nice snapshot of what’s going on although at times there simply isn’t much going on. Which leads me to my next point, I think the animation piece of this is not necessary. I do not believe there is an appetite for it in the community nor frequent enough updates, and it is something I personally wouldn’t really appreciate. Removing the animation portion of the proposal and keeping it at spaces + newsletter would trim the ask quite considerably while maintaining the core of what you have been doing and getting you guys compensated for your hard work. If and when the community grows to a point where more content is necessary I would advise coming back to the DoodleBank for additional funding. To spend 75k or so of the DB on something there needs to be clear ROI. I don’t really see a path to sustainability although perhaps that is something that can change if you guys find a sponsor for the show that doesn’t come off as “shilly”.

Royalties are harder and harder to come by and we need to treat the funds like they are the last we have and invest them appropriately. As currently written, I do not think I would support the proposal but would gladly support a trimmed down version.

Thanks Nes for the feedback! We really appreciate it and hopefully it inspires others to give critiques and comments as well.

While I think the end game for TGID should be something to this I believe the community and brand are too small and young to warrant this.

This is valid point. I think the community may be on the small side now but we are trying to ride the line that is building for those who are already here and building for those who are coming. We have chosen to adopt the same optimism that the team has that Doodles2 will onboard many and we want to be able to represent those community members as well.

It is hard to quantify the active members, but is your judgement about community size based on a metric you have seen or is it based on gut feeling? Regardless of the source is there a size of community that you would agree could support this type of endeavor?

I do believe the newsletter and spaces provide value, I have hopped in the spaces a few times and there is a decent showing of doods (20-40) and the content Is good. The newsletter is a nice snapshot of what’s going on although at times there simply isn’t much going on. Which leads me to my next point, I think the animation piece of this is not necessary. I do not believe there is an appetite for it in the community nor frequent enough updates, and it is something I personally wouldn’t really appreciate.

We appreciate the kind words that you think newsletter and live show bring value to the community! I would take issue that there is not enough going on to support any variety of Doodles community content, we very often have to cut our live show at 2 hours and people have often commented how our newsletter is a tome. We actually broke our newsletter providers servers because we caused a “edge case” due to the length. As far as the appetite for animation goes, I think our analytics show quite the opposite. Our tweet with our trailer may be our best performing tweet ever, by a long shot. Ill link some screenshots below for comparison.

This is a typical newsletter

This is our TGID News Trailer tweet.

Removing the animation portion of the proposal and keeping it at spaces + newsletter would trim the ask quite considerably while maintaining the core of what you have been doing and getting you guys compensated for your hard work. If and when the community grows to a point where more content is necessary I would advise coming back to the DoodleBank for additional funding. To spend 75k or so of the DB on something there needs to be clear ROI. I don’t really see a path to sustainability although perhaps that is something that can change if you guys find a sponsor for the show that doesn’t come off as “shilly”.

Removing the animation portion would trim down the proposal quite a bit. We have heard the suggestion to split up the proposal and allow the community to vote on certain portions of the proposal. This is something we are actively considering. At this point we are taking a similar approach to our proposal as Doodles has taken to the Doodlebank. It needs to be sufficiently decentralized but not at the expense of the product. So at this point we believe in our product and want to see it through in its current iteration, but over the week leading up to our final vote if the community makes it well known they want to see it presented differently, we are willing to adjust accordingly. In regards to sponsorship, there are a multitude of potential partners that we could align with in a way that aligns with our values and will be beneficial to the community. Our highest value is serving the community so we want to do that with our partners as well.

Royalties are harder and harder to come by and we need to treat the funds like they are the last we have and invest them appropriately. As currently written, I do not think I would support the proposal but would gladly support a trimmed down version.

Thank you for saying you would support a trimmed down version of the proposal. I think very often in discourse there is a lack of nuance so we appreciate you being objective and not absolutist. In regards to royalties, I understand the instinct to fall into a scarcity mindset. But I think the tide towards creator royalties is actually swinging back in a positive direction with the largest marketplaces supporting royalties, despite them not being able to be enforced on chain. To add some additional context as far as our impact to the Doodlebank as it stands. If the Doodlebank was to fund our team indefinitely at our current ask, it could fund our show for 21 years. Even if the Doodlebank did not see another gwei, we don’t think we are making a substantial impact on it. Additionally we are very serious about returning capital to the Doodlebank. Future Doodlebank proposals may want to take their return to the Doodlebank very seriously if there will be no more royalty funds.

Once again Nes, thank you for your current feedback. If there is any pushback on these points or you want some additional context, let’s keep the conversation going!

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100% support this initiative. it’s doodlift

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Thanks for your support Bryan! It is me, and the rest of the team😂 It’s doodles!

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Apologies for not getting to this sooner. But, great job on the proposal.
Excellent strategy to promote brand awareness and IP utilization. The news articles are stellar. The animated content will definitely hold interest and provide that extra utilization of our IP. Love what you have accomplished thus far with the news articles and the animated shorts. You clearly got the expertise to meet what you are promising.

These are my questions/concerns:

  • If you are confident that TGID will be able to secure the sponsorships needed to bring the doodlebank to a better position than it was, then why introduce a halfening of the sponsorship revenue? Why not continue with the revenue sharing as and cut it to 25% once the ROI to the doodle bank is reached?

  • Could you share a possible list of advertisers that have reached out or you reached out to that demonstrate interest in TGID?

  • Recently, a founder mentioned a re-work of the doodlebank structure to include a mechanism for us to make things more; possibly with a community council. Why not wait until that is implemented before proposing the final vote while in the mean time re-structuring and revising the proposal?

  • Will the monthly “Tonight Show-Like” type interview be live implementing some sort of generative adversarial neural network or something to do something like what people do with live deep fakes but with our doodles? So essentially the interview will be streamed live and recorded. It would be cool to have that and to expand on different use cases on mini projects to help with community

*I don’t see the need for you guys to have spaces. The doods self organize in their own spaces when needed and we have JKB. That’s enough. Could you provide us with the what value those spaces will have?

*Mind expanding on this “Contingency” + “Contracted Assets” + “Promo & Distribution” items are that are listed in the budget?

I , like Nes, am leaning towards the need for a possible trim on the proposal depending on your responses. Influx of royalties is limited and proposals that give back to the community. You’ve got something that the community needs. But I get the feeling that we may need to step back a bit and possibly fractionalize the proposal and slowly integrate the addons with time as the proof is shown in the value being provided. I noted nothing much changed based on the discussions here on the final proposal for voting. Thus, your response will influence how I vote. My guaranteed support is with TGID’s mission, but not necessarily the current proposal state.

Apologies for the late response on this.
Excellent job on the proposal. It promotes brand awareness as well as IP utilization. Love it.
You clearly have the expertise to back up your claim. I can totally see the value of these weekly animated news shows and monthly interviews as being something that our holders will like.

These are my questions/concerns:

  • Will the monthly “Tonight Show”-like interview be live implementing some sort of Generative Adversarial Neural Network or something to produce something similar to deep fakes but with our doodles? So the interview will be streamed live. This would be an added trinket that can be utilized in mini project to add value to the community.

  • Mind explaining the following items listed in the budget: “Contingency”, “Contracted Assets” and “Promo & Distribution”?

  • Could you provide a list of advertisers that have reached out to you or you have reached out to that expressed interest in advertising on TGID?

  • I don’t see the need for you to host spaces. We have JKB. We also have doods that self organize and host spaces themselves. Though I do acknowledge you’ve got some great team members that can handle the task, I don’t see the need. Mind explaining the value of your spaces compared to all the others? Which part of the budget accounts for that?

  • You stated you will provide a return to what was in the doodlebank plus a bit extra. So why the halfening of the sponsorship revenue? If you are that confident in the self sustainability of TGID and providing back value to the doodlebank, why not keep the 50% revenue share until the ROI is reached and keep it constant at 12.5%-25% onward? That way the community can see a long term commitment for TGID

  • A couple weeks ago a founder mentioned a re-structure of the doodlebank to make it easier on proposals; possibly including a community council. Why not wait until that is implemented to make your proposal?

I, like Nes, am leaning towards the need for the proposal to be fractionalized and have further mini proposals be integrated as the community continue to see value in what you are providing. It’s a big ask, and with royalty issues, we’ve got to be smart with how we decide to utilize the doodlebank. Your responses will affect how I vote at this stage. Regardless, I am in full support of TGID’s mission, but it we may need some refinement. So not necessarily the proposal.

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Roops! Thanks so much for your reply. No worries on the timeliness of your response, the vote is still live so more than happy to discuss, and will most likely continue to discuss post vote as we are for the community, by the community.

Thanks so much for saying that you see the value in the proposal. As for some previous responses, I will attempt to answer your questions and concerns point by point.

Will the monthly “Tonight Show”-like interview be live implementing some sort of Generative Adversarial Neural Network or something to produce something similar to deep fakes but with our doodles? So the interview will be streamed live. This would be an added trinket that can be utilized in mini project to add value to the community.

So this is something we have very much considered. Currently the interviews will be recorded and then hand animated by our animator, Jimmy. We have actually been in discussions with a team that could provide this kind of AR solution which would facilitate the potential for these kind of live interaction plus a higher output of content. Currently the initial cost to implement something like this was too high as we are very budget conscious for out pilot proposal. But this is very much something we intend to pursue over the next six months because we want to mirror the innovative spirit of Doodles.

Mind explaining the following items listed in the budget: “Contingency”, “Contracted Assets” and “Promo & Distribution”?

No problem explaining these, great question. Contingency is 10% added on top of the total to account for anything we could not predict. While we were very thorough in our planning, what we are attempting to do is pretty unique so we wanted to make sure we weren’t setting ourselves up for failure by not have any reserve capital. Contracted assets refers to any original artwork or digital media that will need to be created that we cannot create on our own. We want to make a point of utilizing community artists to help build our sets and lore pieces as well as artwork for merch and digital collectibles. Promo and distribution will cover the hard costs of doing promoted social media spots as well as the labor for social media management. We intend on posting our content on many web2 and web3 social media platforms so the work that goes into that takes time, clipping, formatting, copy, etc…

Could you provide a list of advertisers that have reached out to you or you have reached out to that expressed interest in advertising on TGID?

We have not reached out to any advertisers nor have any advertisers reached out to us. In hindsight this is something I wish we would have devoted more resources to, but we felt it was not the right time as we didn’t want to put the cart before the horse. Regardless, we as a team do have a well of social capital/goodwill and we have not monetized yet so we feel confident in our ability to leverage our networks to gains sponsorships.

I don’t see the need for you to host spaces. We have JKB. We also have doods that self organize and host spaces themselves. Though I do acknowledge you’ve got some great team members that can handle the task, I don’t see the need. Mind explaining the value of your spaces compared to all the others? Which part of the budget accounts for that?

To be clear off the bat, there is not really a budget line for spaces as this is something Tony and I already do. We have hosted a weekly space for over 4 months. We actually recently went on JKB to discuss our proposal. We both agreed that we are providing a different kind of space, ours is news oriented and structured, and JKB’s is JKB😂. They are so unique, we love JKB. Both teams agree there is no competition and ultimately even if we drift towards offering similar spaces, we think with the expansion of doodles and the community, there is room for all at the table.

You stated you will provide a return to what was in the Doodlebank plus a bit extra. So why the halvening of the sponsorship revenue? If you are that confident in the self sustainability of TGID and providing back value to the Doodlebank, why not keep the 50% revenue share until the ROI is reached and keep it constant at 12.5%-25% onward? That way the community can see a long term commitment for TGID

Our internal goal is to donate back the full investment by the end of 2023. We felt the structured reduction of the Doodlebank donations would support the growth of TGID and ideally we would still be donating more and more each year to the Doodlebank. This accounts for our growth as well. It just seemed imprudent to promise to donate double digits of our profits in perpetuity as where we felt a single digit percentage would support our growth as well. We attempted to structure the TGID X Doodlebank relationship in a way that expressed our gratitude to the Doodlebank but that was ultimately symbiotic not parasitic.

A couple weeks ago a founder mentioned a re-structure of the Doodlebank to make it easier on proposals; possibly including a community council. Why not wait until that is implemented to make your proposal?

We were aware of the future restructuring and weighed out our options carefully. We believe that we knew the challenge we would face using the Doodlebank in its current format and believed we could rise to the challenge. We have been told by many, including some team members that this was the strongest proposal they had seen come through the Doodlebank. While we were flattered by this, we knew that in order to pass in its current form we would have to put out an incredibly strong proposal. Maybe we are a glutton for punishment but we were excited to get started ASAP and thought we would take our chances. Should we not succeed in passing this round we are prepared to reevaluate our approach and this is something we will consider heavily.

I, like Nes, am leaning towards the need for the proposal to be fractionalized and have further mini proposals be integrated as the community continue to see value in what you are providing. It’s a big ask, and with royalty issues, we’ve got to be smart with how we decide to utilize the doodlebank. Your responses will affect how I vote at this stage. Regardless, I am in full support of TGID’s mission, but it we may need some refinement. So not necessarily the proposal.

We considered fractionalizing the proposal but wanted to avoid that at this stage because we thought the effectiveness of our approach is maximized in its current form. Additionally we did not want to appear as trying to finesse our way to quorum by proposing 3 x 20Eth proposals. We thought this might be disingenuous and slimy. But should our proposal should not succeed in its current form we will be looking at this approach and how we can implement it with integrity.

Alright Roops! hopefully I have answered some of your questions/concerns. At least I hope so😂 If not, please reply back so we can continue the discussion! Thanks again, your participation in the voting process is vital, we appreciate it very much!

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I vote yes. By the way I support many Doodles initiatives by holders.

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